En/na The Amazing Seismo ha escrit: > If you like that, you’ll love an Acoustic 371. Same phenomenon, but much > more versatile and a tad more powerful. > TAS

could you point me to an url where this gear is described and with photos? thanks. it seems hard to find this.. in ebay is unexistent.

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En/na Boom ha escrit: > Ampeg lovers fight Acoustic lovers to the death > I play new and old Ampeg amps all the time and the SVT-CL’s sound > almost identical to the vintage ones.  The only difference is that the > CL is a one-channel amp while the original had two.

good to hear that if i got the CL i suppose i would not miss that extra channel… i’ve never used more than one.

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SVT’s carry hidden costs: 1. Head – $1500 2. 810 – $800 street price 3. Covers $100 4. Truck to hold them $20,000 5. Chiropractor – $50/session 6. Complete set of Tubes $300 7. Interest on Loans 10% 8. Having to move after neighbor complaints $200,000 In the end, it’s still worth it! I got 2! Geoff Boulden Sunny Buffalo

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> I’ve got a little ampeg at home (b100r) … it sounds wonderful for little > gigs.. anyway, on saturday i had a gig with another band. the bass player > lend me his rig consiting a vintage (around 1970) svt and 4×10+1×15 > cabinets. > Just from the first note i played through that monster i began drooling. > I was in bass heaven… my jazz although it has an impressive sound, never > sounded that way! > Now i can’t stop thinking about getting a rig like that if our band begins > doing bigger gigs. > I’ve been looking in ebay how many vintage svt are around, and it seems to > be a very rare thing. so when the time comes, will a new ampeg CL yield > the same/similar results to the old ones?

If you like that, you’ll love an Acoustic 371. Same phenomenon, but much more versatile and a tad more powerful. TAS

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got a little ampeg at home (b100r) … it sounds wonderful for little > gigs.. anyway, on saturday i had a gig with another band. the bass player > lend me his rig consiting a vintage (around 1970) svt and 4×10+1×15 > cabinets. > Just from the first note i played through that monster i began drooling. > I was in bass heaven… my jazz although it has an impressive sound, never > sounded that way! > Now i can’t stop thinking about getting a rig like that if our band begins > doing bigger gigs. > I’ve been looking in ebay how many vintage svt are around, and it seems to > be a very rare thing. so when the time comes, will a new ampeg CL yield > the same/similar results to the old ones? >If you like that, you’ll love an Acoustic 371. Same phenomenon, but much >more versatile and a tad more powerful.

Ampeg lovers fight Acoustic lovers to the death I play new and old Ampeg amps all the time and the SVT-CL’s sound almost identical to the vintage ones.  The only difference is that the CL is a one-channel amp while the original had two.

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If you liked the SVT with a 4-10 and  a 1-15…you’d love mine with a 4-10 and a 2-15!!!!! Incredible sound.                                                 S.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’ve got a little ampeg at home (b100r) … it sounds wonderful for >> little >> gigs.. anyway, on saturday i had a gig with another band. the bass >> player >> lend me his rig consiting a vintage (around 1970) svt and 4×10+1×15 >> cabinets. >> Just from the first note i played through that monster i began drooling. >> I was in bass heaven… my jazz although it has an impressive sound, >> never >> sounded that way! >> Now i can’t stop thinking about getting a rig like that if our band >> begins >> doing bigger gigs. >> I’ve been looking in ebay how many vintage svt are around, and it seems >> to >> be a very rare thing. so when the time comes, will a new ampeg CL yield >> the same/similar results to the old ones? >If you like that, you’ll love an Acoustic 371. Same phenomenon, but much >more versatile and a tad more powerful. > Ampeg lovers fight Acoustic lovers to the death > I play new and old Ampeg amps all the time and the SVT-CL’s sound > almost identical to the vintage ones.  The only difference is that the > CL is a one-channel amp while the original had two.

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I’ve got a little ampeg at home (b100r) … it sounds wonderful for little gigs.. anyway, on saturday i had a gig with another band. the bass player lend me his rig consiting a vintage (around 1970) svt and 4×10+1×15 cabinets. Just from the first note i played through that monster i began drooling. I was in bass heaven… my jazz although it has an impressive sound, never sounded that way! Now i can’t stop thinking about getting a rig like that if our band begins doing bigger gigs. I’ve been looking in ebay how many vintage svt are around, and it seems to be a very rare thing. so when the time comes, will a new ampeg CL yield the same/similar results to the old ones?

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Hi, Right, I’ve heard that the early Twins (blackfaces from 60’s) are considered to be especially good.  But was there any special year that Fender Twin Reverbs started to get bad? What about the 70’s? Early 80’s? The reason I wonder is that I’m offered to buy a Twin from 1980. And I might have to buy it unheard since the seller lives fa-a-a-aar away from me. So is an 1980 Twin something to get or avoid. The price I’ve gotten is good and quite a bit below what is normally asked for a mid 70s Twin where I live. (In Sweden that is). So, if anyone could please enlighten me I’d be most grateful. Or if you could direct me to a webpage covering this, or a Twin FAQ. Thanks!! Carl PS. And if I can buy this 1980 Twin for 7000 SEK (swedish currency)or a 1976 Ampeg VT-22 for 5000 SEK. Which one should I get? (I play a Guild CE-100DP and hope for a warm, clean sound.) It seems both would suit me fine, but the Ampeg has got no tremolo. And I’m thinking I might actually start using tremolo pretty soon. Thanks again! D.S. PPS. I understand that I’m choosing between "really heavy amp" and "extremely heavy amp".

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It is most likely an ultralinear model Twin Reverb.  Ask yourself this question: "How clean do I want the amp to be?".  If you are going for the cleanest sounds possible, this is the amp to get.  If you are into Jazz/Country this is a good amp. If however you are looking for that classic blues overdriven sound, this amp won’t cut it.  For that matter, any Twin will need to be LOUD to get that kind of breakup. On the other hand, I haven’t found a better amp than the UL 135watt Twin Reverb for distortion pedals and modeling ‘devices’. A UL Twin does this perfectly, sounds great with a Zvex Fuzz Factory in front of it. Again, if you are looking for the typical Fender blues sound, look elsewhere.  But if you plan on running osme pedals in front of this one and the price is decent, it may be worth a look.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Right, I’ve heard that the early Twins (blackfaces from 60’s) are > considered to be especially good.  But was there any special year that > Fender Twin Reverbs started to get bad? What about the 70’s? Early > 80’s? > The reason I wonder is that I’m offered to buy a Twin from 1980. And I > might have to buy it unheard since the seller lives fa-a-a-aar away > from me. So is an 1980 Twin something to get or avoid. The price I’ve > gotten is good and quite a bit below what is normally asked for a mid > 70s Twin where I live. (In Sweden that is). > So, if anyone could please enlighten me I’d be most grateful. Or if > you could direct me to a webpage covering this, or a Twin FAQ. > Thanks!! > Carl > PS. And if I can buy this 1980 Twin for 7000 SEK (swedish currency)or > a 1976 Ampeg VT-22 for 5000 SEK. Which one should I get? (I play a > Guild CE-100DP and hope for a warm, clean sound.) It seems both would > suit me fine, but the Ampeg has got no tremolo. And I’m thinking I > might actually start using tremolo pretty soon. Thanks again! D.S. > PPS. I understand that I’m choosing between "really heavy amp" and > "extremely heavy amp".

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> PS. And if I can buy this 1980 Twin for 7000 SEK (swedish currency)or > a 1976 Ampeg VT-22 for 5000 SEK. Which one should I get? (I play a > Guild CE-100DP and hope for a warm, clean sound.) It seems both would > suit me fine, but the Ampeg has got no tremolo. And I’m thinking I > might actually start using tremolo pretty soon. Thanks again! D.S. > PPS. I understand that I’m choosing between "really heavy amp" and > "extremely heavy amp".

i have a mid 70’s silverface and i love it… i don’t play blues..so the bf tone isn’t what i was looking for.. fantastic reverb, very sensitive to input.. excellent vibrato oh..i have EV speakers..helps a lot georgio — Yamaha Sa-800 Mexi tely with emg’s home built strat with american electrics

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Right, I’ve heard that the early Twins (blackfaces from 60’s) are > considered to be especially good.  But was there any special year that > Fender Twin Reverbs started to get bad? What about the 70’s? Early > 80’s? > The reason I wonder is that I’m offered to buy a Twin from 1980. And I > might have to buy it unheard since the seller lives fa-a-a-aar away > from me. So is an 1980 Twin something to get or avoid. The price I’ve > gotten is good and quite a bit below what is normally asked for a mid > 70s Twin where I live. (In Sweden that is). > So, if anyone could please enlighten me I’d be most grateful. Or if > you could direct me to a webpage covering this, or a Twin FAQ. > Thanks!! > Carl > PS. And if I can buy this 1980 Twin for 7000 SEK (swedish currency)or > a 1976 Ampeg VT-22 for 5000 SEK. Which one should I get? (I play a > Guild CE-100DP and hope for a warm, clean sound.) It seems both would > suit me fine, but the Ampeg has got no tremolo. And I’m thinking I > might actually start using tremolo pretty soon. Thanks again! D.S. > PPS. I understand that I’m choosing between "really heavy amp" and > "extremely heavy amp".

Whatever you do, stay away from the dreaded red knob twin! DA

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Carl because I own one, I’m partial; If you can find one anywhere, check out the MusicMan 2×10 or 2×12 series. Regards, Marc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, > Right, I’ve heard that the early Twins (blackfaces from 60’s) are > considered to be especially good.  But was there any special year that > Fender Twin Reverbs started to get bad? What about the 70’s? Early > 80’s? > The reason I wonder is that I’m offered to buy a Twin from 1980. And I > might have to buy it unheard since the seller lives fa-a-a-aar away > from me. So is an 1980 Twin something to get or avoid. The price I’ve > gotten is good and quite a bit below what is normally asked for a mid > 70s Twin where I live. (In Sweden that is). > So, if anyone could please enlighten me I’d be most grateful. Or if > you could direct me to a webpage covering this, or a Twin FAQ. > Thanks!! > Carl > PS. And if I can buy this 1980 Twin for 7000 SEK (swedish currency)or > a 1976 Ampeg VT-22 for 5000 SEK. Which one should I get? (I play a > Guild CE-100DP and hope for a warm, clean sound.) It seems both would > suit me fine, but the Ampeg has got no tremolo. And I’m thinking I > might actually start using tremolo pretty soon. Thanks again! D.S. > PPS. I understand that I’m choosing between "really heavy amp" and > "extremely heavy amp".

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> i have a mid 70’s silverface and i love it… i don’t play blues..so the > bf tone isn’t what i was looking for.. > fantastic reverb, very sensitive to input.. excellent vibrato > oh..i have EV speakers..helps a lot

And I suspect it helps your chiropractor’s paycheck as well.  A Twin with a pair of EV12Ls weighs in at about 90 lbs, IIRC.  Yowwwww!  Mike Schway           |   [Picture your favorite quote here]  

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> And I suspect it helps your chiropractor’s paycheck as well.  A Twin > with a pair of EV12Ls weighs in at about 90 lbs, IIRC.  Yowwwww!

Yep, I totaly agree. I have one in repair; need a recap. These monsters are HEAVY!!! The wheels are of no much help if you have to lift it up on the bench. An idea is to fill the enclosure with helium ballons so it float’s. Makes carrying it around a lot easier. Cheers, Marco

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> > And I suspect it helps your chiropractor’s paycheck as well.  A Twin > with a pair of EV12Ls weighs in at about 90 lbs, IIRC.  Yowwwww! > Yep, I totaly agree. > I have one in repair; need a recap. > These monsters are HEAVY!!! > The wheels are of no much help if you have to lift it up on the bench.

Damn, you guys must be out of shape. 34 years of lifting amps to my bench, keeps me in shape. Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,        Music & Studio Production, Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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Hey Rich, are you a midget?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > And I suspect it helps your chiropractor’s paycheck as well.  A Twin > > with a pair of EV12Ls weighs in at about 90 lbs, IIRC.  Yowwwww! > Yep, I totaly agree. > I have one in repair; need a recap. > These monsters are HEAVY!!! > The wheels are of no much help if you have to lift it up on the bench. > Damn, you guys must be out of shape. > 34 years of lifting amps to my bench, keeps me in shape. > Regards, > Rich Koerner, > Time Electronics. > http://www.timeelect.com > Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering, >        Music & Studio Production, > Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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Mentally, clearly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey Rich, > are you a midget? >>>And I suspect it helps your chiropractor’s paycheck as well.  A Twin >>>with a pair of EV12Ls weighs in at about 90 lbs, IIRC.  Yowwwww! >>Yep, I totaly agree. >>I have one in repair; need a recap. >>These monsters are HEAVY!!! >>The wheels are of no much help if you have to lift it up on the bench. >Damn, you guys must be out of shape. >34 years of lifting amps to my bench, keeps me in shape. >Regards, >Rich Koerner, >Time Electronics. >http://www.timeelect.com >Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering, >       Music & Studio Production, >Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I’ve been tweaking my basses lately and have been battling the issue of > > neck > > relief.  While holding the string down at the first and last fret, one > > guide > > suggested I aim for a .3 to .5 mm gap.  Is this correct?  Or should it > > be 3 > > to 5 mm? > The correct way to set up any adjustable fretted neck is to set it to > zero relief, inspect it at every fret for level with proper > straightedges & level it (if needed & using suitable tools), then see > if it will play at no relief (which a few will), and add relief a > little at a time until it plays well with as little relief as possible > at the desired action height. > <snip> > Co-sign. Word.

Although not quite the same method as described above, there’s a pretty useful guide to this here: http://www.garywillis.com/pages/bass/bassmanual/setupmanual.html And although this is described for the guy’s own sig bass, it works just the same for other basses. Greg — ‘how young can you be to die old’ – John Tickle — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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> Be careful not to get the credit card near anything magnetic…

..sooo  I should not use it near the north pole?

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> > I’ve been tweaking my basses lately and have been battling the issue of neck > relief.  While holding the string down at the first and last fret, one guide > suggested I aim for a .3 to .5 mm gap.  Is this correct?  Or should it be 3 > to 5 mm? > The correct way to set up any adjustable fretted neck is to set it to > zero relief, inspect it at every fret for level with proper > straightedges & level it (if needed & using suitable tools), then see > if it will play at no relief (which a few will), and add relief a > little at a time until it plays well with as little relief as possible > at the desired action height.

<snip> Co-sign. Word.

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Be careful not to get the credit card near anything magnetic…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Business cards work great if you done have a feeler guage, although they > do > > tend to be on the lighter side of what is reccommended.  The most common > > papers used for cards range from about .0085 to .013  (.25mm to .35mm) > > c.. > How about a credit card then? > I use a feeler gauge, and I strive for between .010 and .016 > BTW, Gary Willys says credit card too, but he’s setting up a fretless in > the end it is all very personal… > http://www.garywillis.com/pages/bass/bassmanual/relief.html > Chris > Never put a credit card on the mic but my best guess is they are about .020, > maybe .025.  I’ll check one out on the mic we have where I work and let you. > know.

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> Business cards work great if you done have a feeler guage, although they do > tend to be on the lighter side of what is reccommended.  The most common > papers used for cards range from about .0085 to .013  (.25mm to .35mm) > c..

How about a credit card then? I use a feeler gauge, and I strive for between .010 and .016 BTW, Gary Willys says credit card too, but he’s setting up a fretless in the end it is all very personal… http://www.garywillis.com/pages/bass/bassmanual/relief.html Chris

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> I’ve been tweaking my basses lately and have been battling the issue of neck > relief.  While holding the string down at the first and last fret, one guide > suggested I aim for a .3 to .5 mm gap.  Is this correct?  Or should it be 3 > to 5 mm?

The correct way to set up any adjustable fretted neck is to set it to zero relief, inspect it at every fret for level with proper straightedges & level it (if needed & using suitable tools), then see if it will play at no relief (which a few will), and add relief a little at a time until it plays well with as little relief as possible at the desired action height.  The general fact that many happen to play best at a certain range of relief with typical actions heights is not any instruction to set relief to some particular amount.  "Setting relief" is a popular but amateurish idea with no real foundation. Instead, set the instrument up to play its best at the desired action (and correct intonation), and as long as it doesn’t end up looking like a bow and the rod is not excessively tensioned or too loose, it is "correct" for that action, those strings, this weather and that player & style.  Anything beyond this is witchcraft, or maybe bull shit, but not luthier-y or tech-ery.  You will never see a competent luthier measuring relief to adjust it, it is a joke. For example, my main working axe (not a bass) has wood which moves all over the place with each seasonal change & requires readjustment, and so would have 4 different "correct reliefs" for the same action setup – which is quite low in my older, lazy age.  Practically speaking, I never measure it & it only takes 2 or 3 minutes to readjust it.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Business cards work great if you done have a feeler guage, although they do > tend to be on the lighter side of what is reccommended.  The most common > papers used for cards range from about .0085 to .013  (.25mm to .35mm) > c.. > How about a credit card then? > I use a feeler gauge, and I strive for between .010 and .016 > BTW, Gary Willys says credit card too, but he’s setting up a fretless in > the end it is all very personal… > http://www.garywillis.com/pages/bass/bassmanual/relief.html > Chris

Never put a credit card on the mic but my best guess is they are about .020, maybe .025.  I’ll check one out on the mic we have where I work and let you. know.

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Business cards work great if you done have a feeler guage, although they do tend to be on the lighter side of what is reccommended.  The most common papers used for cards range from about .0085 to .013  (.25mm to .35mm) c..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I use a business card or two, same theory.  I have set hundreds of > instruments just that way. > K > I usually just hold down the first and LAST fret of the finger board and > check the gap at the 8th fret.  I like the distance from the top of the > fret to the bottom of the string to be wide enough for a credit card to > to slide through.  I do that on all my basses and it works. > > Usually relief is measured by holding the string down at the 1st and > > 12th fret.  0.3 to 0.5 mm would be reasonable.  3.0 to 5.0 mm would be > > WAY too much! > > –Steve > >> I’ve been tweaking my basses lately and have been battling the issue > >> of neck > >> relief.  While holding the string down at the first and last fret, one > >> guide > >> suggested I aim for a .3 to .5 mm gap.  Is this correct?  Or should it > >> be 3 > >> to 5 mm?

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I’ve been tweaking my basses lately and have been battling the issue of neck relief.  While holding the string down at the first and last fret, one guide suggested I aim for a .3 to .5 mm gap.  Is this correct?  Or should it be 3 to 5 mm?

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Usually relief is measured by holding the string down at the 1st and 12th fret.  0.3 to 0.5 mm would be reasonable.  3.0 to 5.0 mm would be WAY too much! –Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve been tweaking my basses lately and have been battling the issue of neck > relief.  While holding the string down at the first and last fret, one guide > suggested I aim for a .3 to .5 mm gap.  Is this correct?  Or should it be 3 > to 5 mm?

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I usually just hold down the first and LAST fret of the finger board and check the gap at the 8th fret.  I like the distance from the top of the fret to the bottom of the string to be wide enough for a credit card to to slide through.  I do that on all my basses and it works. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Usually relief is measured by holding the string down at the 1st and > 12th fret.  0.3 to 0.5 mm would be reasonable.  3.0 to 5.0 mm would be > WAY too much! > –Steve > I’ve been tweaking my basses lately and have been battling the issue > of neck > relief.  While holding the string down at the first and last fret, one > guide > suggested I aim for a .3 to .5 mm gap.  Is this correct?  Or should it > be 3 > to 5 mm?

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I use a business card or two, same theory.  I have set hundreds of instruments just that way. K

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I usually just hold down the first and LAST fret of the finger board and > check the gap at the 8th fret.  I like the distance from the top of the > fret to the bottom of the string to be wide enough for a credit card to > to slide through.  I do that on all my basses and it works. > Usually relief is measured by holding the string down at the 1st and > 12th fret.  0.3 to 0.5 mm would be reasonable.  3.0 to 5.0 mm would be > WAY too much! > –Steve >> I’ve been tweaking my basses lately and have been battling the issue >> of neck >> relief.  While holding the string down at the first and last fret, one >> guide >> suggested I aim for a .3 to .5 mm gap.  Is this correct?  Or should it >> be 3 >> to 5 mm?

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If you have anything meaningful to contribute, then post it so everyone can benefit from it.  If you’re out to make a buck, whether from peddling quack remedies or selling respndent’s addresses to spammers, then get lost. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Perhaps one of the few ways Neck problems are relieved is thru physical >conditioning. The bone, that is, the main infrastruture to supporting your >most vital strings to your main control center is very crucial when it comes >to health. Health is crucial, and when the neck is being tampered with >doctors such as chiropractors and surgeons to fix misaligned neck bones, >things become risky. There are always considerable risks despite the >reputation of any doctor. >Do u have serious neck misalignments, or chronic headaches that never seem to >go away, due to a poor or even a little neck bone prob, then punch in your >keys for messaging for advice. I have alternative remedy, esoteric and >effective for you: email me back, or use my conventional address: >Live well & prosper. >- Meshes

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Perhaps one of the few ways Neck problems are relieved is thru physical conditioning. The bone, that is, the main infrastruture to supporting your most vital strings to your main control center is very crucial when it comes to health. Health is crucial, and when the neck is being tampered with doctors such as chiropractors and surgeons to fix misaligned neck bones, things become risky. There are always considerable risks despite the reputation of any doctor. Do u have serious neck misalignments, or chronic headaches that never seem to go away, due to a poor or even a little neck bone prob, then punch in your keys for messaging for advice. I have alternative remedy, esoteric and effective for you: email me back, or use my conventional address: Live well & prosper. – Meshes

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playon said… > CHENEY’S MISLEAD: "I have not suggested there’s a connection between > Iraq and 9/11" > THE TRUTH: As the Washington Post reports today, Cheney has repeatedly > insinuated and "strongly suggested" that Saddam Hussein was behind the > attacks on September 11th.[2]

As did Edwards.  Go read his speech from Sept 12, 2002.  So get off your high horse, unless you’re going to blast both of them.  Otherwise, you’re in the same moral swamp as whomever you’re blasting.

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>playon said… > CHENEY’S MISLEAD: "I have not suggested there’s a connection between > Iraq and 9/11" > THE TRUTH: As the Washington Post reports today, Cheney has repeatedly > insinuated and "strongly suggested" that Saddam Hussein was behind the > attacks on September 11th.[2] >As did Edwards.  Go read his speech >from Sept 12, 2002.  So get off >your high horse, unless you’re going >to blast both of them.  Otherwise, >you’re in the same moral swamp as >whomever you’re blasting.

At worst, Edwards was falling for the administration’s line of BS just like most of Congress — but Cheney was involved in *creating* it.   Edwards is on solid ground, Cheney is up to his lying mouth in quicksand.        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->playon said… >> CHENEY’S MISLEAD: "I have not suggested there’s a connection between >> Iraq and 9/11" >> THE TRUTH: As the Washington Post reports today, Cheney has repeatedly >> insinuated and "strongly suggested" that Saddam Hussein was behind the >> attacks on September 11th.[2] >As did Edwards.  Go read his speech >from Sept 12, 2002.  So get off >your high horse, unless you’re going >to blast both of them.  Otherwise, >you’re in the same moral swamp as >whomever you’re blasting. > At worst, Edwards was falling > for the administration’s line > of BS just like most of > Congress — but Cheney was > involved in *creating* it. > Edwards is on solid ground, > Cheney is up to his lying > mouth in quicksand.

Ban cotton!!!!! When you see the dust mites that live in the lint collected in your navel, you are going to take a shit. In the mean time, a drop of kerosene on that cotton will kill them little bastards DEAD. BTW, a drop of kerosene on a small cotton ball will lubricate and cure a ticking vibrato problem in most amplifiers too. Not to mention, a rubbing voice coil in a speaker too. There are many great uses for kerosene and cotton. Just remember to never use cotton shirts, to avoid lint collection in your navel. Navel rot is running rampant through our population. <thinking> I almost forgot, those with navel piercings, are at greater RISK of infection!!!!! Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,        Music & Studio Production, Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >playon said… > >> CHENEY’S MISLEAD: "I have not suggested there’s a connection between > >> Iraq and 9/11" > >> THE TRUTH: As the Washington Post reports today, Cheney has repeatedly > >> insinuated and "strongly suggested" that Saddam Hussein was behind the > >> attacks on September 11th.[2] > >As did Edwards.  Go read his speech > >from Sept 12, 2002.  So get off > >your high horse, unless you’re going > >to blast both of them.  Otherwise, > >you’re in the same moral swamp as > >whomever you’re blasting. > At worst, Edwards was falling > for the administration’s line > of BS just like most of > Congress — but Cheney was > involved in *creating* it. > Edwards is on solid ground, > Cheney is up to his lying > mouth in quicksand. >Ban cotton!!!!! >When you see the dust mites that live in the lint collected in your navel, you are going to take a >shit. >In the mean time, a drop of kerosene on that cotton will kill them little bastards DEAD. >BTW, a drop of kerosene on a small cotton ball will lubricate and cure a ticking vibrato problem in >most amplifiers too. >Not to mention, a rubbing voice coil in a speaker too. >There are many great uses for kerosene and cotton. >Just remember to never use cotton shirts, to avoid lint collection in your navel. >Navel rot is running rampant through our population. ><thinking> >I almost forgot, those with navel piercings, are at greater RISK of infection!!!!!

There are 1,054 American lives cut short because of the lying you "think" is a joke, Rich — but somehow Clinton lying about a BJ is what provokes your rage and all Dumber’nyuh crew’s lies about non-existent WMDs, phony "liberation," and a so-called homeland security effort that hasn’t spent a quarter of the cost of invading and occupying Iraq since 9/11/01 — and most of that money was already allocated before 9/11 — are funny to you? So, you do enjoy having your country’s leaders lie us into a meatgrinder while having no effect whatsoever on international terrorism?   Do you think it’s part of the president’s job description to govern by deception and fear?  How do you manage to stay bent-over like that — have you found a really great chiropractor or what?        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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>There are 1,054 American >lives cut short because >of the lying you "think" >is a joke, Rich — but >somehow Clinton lying >about a BJ is what >provokes your rage and >all Dumber’nyuh crew’s >lies about non-existent >WMDs

FYI … Bush and his "crew" did not *lie* about WMD’s.  They simply repeated what they thought were facts that were passed on to them by our intelligence sources and by intelligence sources from the governments of other countries. In fact, you can’t even show that *ANYONE* within our government accurately knew otherwise … If you are going to call Bush a liar, you may as well call your two Johns liars, as well. "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …" Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003 "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 ""Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.  It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 Should I go on?  I’m sure I can dig up quite a few more by JoKe and his puppet, John-Boy Edwards.   The simple fact that you claim this while knowing better makes you a liar. Stomp your feet and feign being "hurt" or "insulted", but someone who tells a lie is a liar. Main Entry: [4]lie Function: noun Etymology: Middle English lige, lie, from Old English lyge; akin to Old High German lugI, Old English lEogan to lie 1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive Precisely what you just did. And since you brought him up (AGAIN!!!) …. "And from Dick Morris, about his years in the inner circle at the Clinton White House: "Everything was more important than fighting terrorism. Political correctness, civil liberties concerns, fear of offending the administration’s supporters, Janet Reno’s objections, considerations of costs, worries about racial profiling and, in the second term, surviving impeachment, all came before fighting terrorism." One can argue that 3,000 lives were cut short due to frivolous preoccupation of the Clintoon Administration. Lostpup198 "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. There’s a knob called "brightness", but it doesn’t work." — Gallagher Comedian

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>Bush and his "crew" did not *lie* about WMD’s.  They simply repeated >what they thought were facts that were passed on to them by our intelligence >sources and by intelligence sources from the governments of other countries.

Bullshit. There was a concerted effort by Cheney et al to disregard anything that didn’t agree with their preconceived notions and support their desire to invade Iraq. They refused to look at any of the myriad of intelligence sources that were telling them that Saddam had no WMD. They lied through their teeth.

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> >Bush and his "crew" did not *lie* about WMD’s.  They simply repeated >what they thought were facts that were passed on to them by our intelligence >sources and by intelligence sources from the governments of other countries. > Bullshit. There was a concerted effort by Cheney et al to disregard anything > that didn’t agree with their preconceived notions and support their desire to > invade Iraq. They refused to look at any of the myriad of intelligence sources > that were telling them that Saddam had no WMD. They lied through their teeth.

You know, I your logic calculator seems to be in calibration. I’m getting freaking tired of those making claims, like "They Lied", followed with the characterization, and not a direct quote of the lie in question. THIS, is a case of one getting stuck with the responsibility, and the other on the outside free to criticize and characterize, the one holding the responsibility. Kerry has the unique advantage of being the outside critic, doing the Monday morning quarterbacking BS. Based on what was in front of both Kerry and Bush, BOTH agreed on the same intel, at the same time, as did other governments. SORRY, I ain’t buying any of this shit. Now, all I hear is Kerry singing Bush’s song. Wow, imagine that. But, he wants to work with other countries, yet says NO, to a pink slip from the UN. If the tables were turned, would the situation be anymore correct!!!!!!! Now, since you think my post was a joke…… let’s paste a little thing you did not bring with you here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> CHENEY’S MISLEAD: "I have not suggested there’s a connection between >> Iraq and 9/11" >> THE TRUTH: As the Washington Post reports today, Cheney has repeatedly >> insinuated and "strongly suggested" that Saddam Hussein was behind the >> attacks on September 11th.[2] >As did Edwards.  Go read his speech >from Sept 12, 2002.  So get off >your high horse, unless you’re going >to blast both of them.  Otherwise, >you’re in the same moral swamp as >whomever you’re blasting. > At worst, Edwards was falling > for the administration’s line > of BS just like most of > Congress — but Cheney was > involved in *creating* it.   > Edwards is on solid ground, > Cheney is up to his lying > mouth in quicksand.

So, you have those in the news, editorial, Op Ed, (Hi Ed <wink>) mass media all trying to pull a Dan Rather, and scoop the next guy.  You know, the wanna be’s after http://www.drudge.com/ You guys just cut and paste these ass hole views to support your man, or raised issue. The bottom line to me is, there is nothing different that Kerry could have done, and not repeat what Bush did, if he has National Security in the forefront. You HAD to go after Saddam, to open up his shell game.  Even the inspectors could NOT say, there were NO WMD’s anywhere in Iraq. We are in Iraq, not because of Bush, but because of the actions of Saddam Hussein, himself ONLY!!! Had he not fucked with the world, we’d not be in Iraq!!!!! Clinton did before Bush, what you claim Bush did.  And, on a no bid, who the freaking hell was there to bid against Haliburton. Who the hell could do it better and cheaper the Haliburton on a placed bid!!!!!!! <thinking> I don’t have the time to waste going through the whole bunch of crap Kerry has puked up in the media!!!!!! He’s just another rich ass mother fu_king lefty Liar Bull Shit Artist, with his finger in the wind, His voting record is out there, and it does not match up with the crap he pukes up in the media. <thinking> One last point, then I’m back to work. I don’t hear a lot of FACTS from the Kerry camp.   All I hear is a shit pile of characterization, in your end doe, and shit slinging. That shit never came out of the Bush camp. Character assignation is all you guys are good at. Like the way the NRA was slammed for wanting cop killer bullets, and wants the streets filled with assault guns. Your fight against street crime, through fostering gun paranoia in the media, paints the law abiding citizen as being a gun lover/nut case of high irresponsibility, and this places you at risk of life, because of such. So, all of the 20,000+ hand gun laws has gotten us, is a gun paranoid public at large, who thinks these laws really made them safer, and 911’s call to Duddly Doo Right, is going to save the Just like the quote of New Jersey’s finest lefty paranoid  Wing Nut,….. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jersey/44094… http://lautenberg.senate.gov/~lautenberg/press/2003/01/2003729742.html And, this one, takes the cake!!!!!!! Doesn’t he get it!!!!!!! LOL, the terrorist, like the criminal, is not scared off by any freaking law. http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/18/terrorists.guns/ They, freaking just could not give a shit.  They have their own source for them.  They ain’t going to Joe’s Gun Shop to get ‘em. All these gun laws have done, is taken away the ability for the common man to defend himself.  We are a disarmed public, at the mercy of the criminal, and now,….  the terrorist. This just flies in the face of sound thinking and logic. Case Closed. BTW, I missed the debate. Had to work, and had customers in all day long. The wife forgot to tape it for me. Oh well, back to work. When I see this kind of thing, Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,        Music & Studio Production, Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Bush and his "crew" did not *lie* about WMD’s.  They simply repeated > >what they thought were facts that were passed on to them by our intelligence > >sources and by intelligence sources from the governments of other countries. > Bullshit. There was a concerted effort by Cheney et al to disregard anything > that didn’t agree with their preconceived notions and support their desire to > invade Iraq. They refused to look at any of the myriad of intelligence sources > that were telling them that Saddam had no WMD. They lied through their teeth. >You know, I your logic calculator seems to be in calibration. >I’m getting freaking tired of those making claims, like "They Lied", followed with the >characterization, and not a direct quote of the lie in question.

Where have you been the last couple of years, Rich?  The above is like saying "You guys keep telling me the sky is blue without offering any proof."  Colin Powell got up in front of the U.N. and publicly presented phony evidence to justify invading Iraq — how much more obvious does it have to get before you’ll be man enough to admit you’ve been duped? >THIS, is a case of one getting stuck with the responsibility, and the other on the outside free to >criticize and characterize, the one holding the responsibility.

That’s the burden of incumbency — Dumber’nyuh’s not an unknown anymore, it’s now common knowledge that he’s both dishonest and incompetent.  He’s obviously bungled his responsibility, the only question left is whether Kerry is a reasonable risk as an alternative — I think that’s a slam-dunk yes, ymmv.  Presidential reelection campains have always been referendums on the incumbent — even our greatest wartime president barely got a second term because the outcome of the Civil War was still in doubt in the minds of many voters when he ran, and Dumber’nyuh is no Lincoln! >Kerry has the unique advantage of being the outside critic, doing the Monday morning quarterbacking >BS.

Same goes for any challenger — but we do elect challengers when the incumbent’s performance is judged deficient.  Look up Carter, Jimmy and Bush, George H.W. for recent examples — neither got a second term because neither performed well enough to deserve one! >Based on what was in front of both Kerry and Bush, BOTH agreed on the same intel, at the same time, >as did other governments.

Except Kerry was presented with cooked intelligence while Dumber’nyuh’s people were the ones cooking it — big funkin’ difference! >SORRY, I ain’t buying any of this shit. >Now, all I hear is Kerry singing Bush’s song. >Wow, imagine that.

He’s always been strong that way — ask Sen. McCain.  There’s no contradiction between being anti-terrorist and against a bloody failure of an irrelevant war — a chief executive’s #1 job is prioritization, and Dumber’nyuh’s are way out of whack! >But, he wants to work with other countries, yet says NO, to a pink slip from the UN.

Exactly right — and exactly the way every U.S. president has worked for almost a century.  Working with other countries won two world wars and the cold war, working alone has never resulted in success in a non-trivial conflict.  Want to invade Granada or nab Noriega alone — that’s fine.  Want to occupy a vast country with 25 million people, many of them hostile, alone — that’s a recipe for disaster. >If the tables were turned, would the situation be anymore correct!!!!!!!

Absolutely — Kerry would have put Iraq on the back burner where it belonged and concentrated our effort and resources on Al Qaeda were they belonged.  There was no urgency to deal with Iraq, that was invented because this president wanted to invade Iraq way before 9/11/01 — the attacks of that day, with a little booster shot form lies and exaggerations, just made his ambitions tenable politically – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Now, since you think my post was a joke…… let’s paste a little thing you did not bring with you >here. > >> CHENEY’S MISLEAD: "I have not suggested there’s a connection between > >> Iraq and 9/11" > >> THE TRUTH: As the Washington Post reports today, Cheney has repeatedly > >> insinuated and "strongly suggested" that Saddam Hussein was behind the > >> attacks on September 11th.[2] > >As did Edwards.  Go read his speech > >from Sept 12, 2002.  So get off > >your high horse, unless you’re going > >to blast both of them.  Otherwise, > >you’re in the same moral swamp as > >whomever you’re blasting. > At worst, Edwards was falling > for the administration’s line > of BS just like most of > Congress — but Cheney was > involved in *creating* it.   > Edwards is on solid ground, > Cheney is up to his lying > mouth in quicksand. >So, you have those in the news, editorial, Op Ed, (Hi Ed <wink>) mass media all trying to pull a Dan >Rather, and scoop the next guy.  You know, the wanna be’s after http://www.drudge.com/

Matt Drudge is a funkin’ gossip monger — he’ll print any rumor he thinks will build site traffic. >You guys just cut and paste these ass hole views to support your man, or raised issue.

Mostly, I post reports — when I post an editorial, what it is is clearly stated. >The bottom line to me is, there is nothing different that Kerry could have done, and not repeat what >Bush did, if he has National Security in the forefront.

Absolute bullshit — Iraq was a phony priority at a time when we had *much* more important fish to fry, fish that are still swimming around uncaught! >You HAD to go after Saddam, to open up his shell game.  Even the inspectors could NOT say, there >were NO WMD’s anywhere in Iraq.

Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time.  There was virtually zero risk in putting off dealing with Saddam Hussein indefinitely — if there was any real danger, his mideast neighbors would have supported us like they did in Gulf War I.  In terms of terrorism against the U.S., Iraq was a big fat zero. >We are in Iraq, not because of Bush, but because of the actions of Saddam Hussein, himself ONLY!!!

Dumber’nyuh made the decision to invade an unrelated country when the U.S. was under threat from elsewhere — that on him, and he should pay for it with his job! >Had he not fucked with the world, we’d not be in Iraq!!!!!

On that we agree — but not on the verdict. >Clinton did before Bush, what you claim Bush did.  And, on a no bid, who the freaking hell was there >to bid against Haliburton.

It’s a matter of scale, Rich — past a certain amount you simply do not award a contract without bidding.  There’s no reason the work couldn’t have been spread around to several companies — that would have stood a chance of keeping them honest! >Who the hell could do it better and cheaper the Haliburton on a placed bid!!!!!!!

Like I said, there was no reason to put all the eggs in the Halliburton basket — the world is full of companies who’d have gladly bid. [meandering snipped]        Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-

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Anyone using one of these? Any comments? Ed Cregger

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> Anyone using one of these? Any comments? > Ed Cregger

Carvin uses surface mount technology in some of their amps now. Your are now in computer land with board swaps. The Carvin difference is, they are NOT as cheap as your sound card, and your local computer doesn’t stock any of the cards used in a Carvin. SMT = Surface Mount Technology = Cheap to produce = a bitch to fix = Big Bucks For Boards Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,        Music & Studio Production, Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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I have and use one, one with the genuine -simulated-tube preamp. Got a LOT of knobs, gizmos, hannebogens and thatastats–But when you find YOUR sound, it makes it very loud. Years (and many trips to the chiropractor) ago I had an SVT head that probably made my "65 PBass sound even better–but not that much better.   I have the 2-10" combo and bought an extra headshell to swap around. IMHO it is a good buy on a par with the Hartke and mid-priced SWR lines.    Jeff

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> Anyone using one of these? Any comments? > Ed Cregger

I’ve heard some disapproving comments from repair techs about Carvin amps, cooling fans unwisely used as load-bearing supports, a heat sink that is a live element of the circuit, enough to make me pull back from buying one.

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> I have and use one, one with the genuine -simulated-tube preamp. Got a LOT of > knobs, gizmos, hannebogens and thatastats–But when you find YOUR sound, it > makes it very loud. > Years (and many trips to the chiropractor) ago I had an SVT head that probably > made my "65 PBass sound even better–but not that much better. > I have the 2-10" combo and bought an extra headshell to swap around. IMHO it is > a good buy on a par with the Hartke and mid-priced SWR lines.    Jeff

Thanks, Jeff. At least I will not have to worry about being caught short of power. I was going to buy the next one down, but with only one hundred dollars difference between the two, what the heck. Like you, I do like the sound of tube bass amps. However, their high weight and fragility makes them impractical for me. I too have a bad back and I also have numerous hernias. I had been looking for a pristine Acoustic 370 head, but quickly learned that they were going for $500 or more. I’m not going to pay that much for a thirty year old electronic device. I must admit that I am having some difficulty in discerning which brands are average and which are high-end. Price does not always provide an accurate indicator. Truthfully, the Behringer BX3000T has been doing a fine job so far, but I wanted something a little fancier to place atop my newly arrived Acoustic 301 enclosure. I have a very inexpensive 2×10" enclosure that I am going to power with the Behringer head. It should be interesting to see how those two little speakers handle Mr. B’s 300 watt output. It is an X-Audio $99.95, 4-ohm enclosure that is rated for 400 watts rms. Who knows, it may well cause one heck of a black confetti explosion. But I doubt it. Ed Cregger

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> Anyone using one of these? Any comments? > Ed Cregger

I have one and use it twice a week for practice and gigs.  Needless to say, I like it a lot.  I bought the amp used and cheap because it was broken.  I repaired a few of the traces and have not had a problem since.  The sucker is loud (if you want it to be).  The built in compressor and noise gate are nice….no more pedals to lug around..  My only complaint is that I would like the compressor on a footswitch.  Oh well. I have SWR amps, but find that they sound sterile.  I also have newer Ampeg amps but still like the Carvin better. David PS I have a R600 Series 1 that I will sell cheap!

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> Anyone using one of these? Any comments? > Ed Cregger

Yes.   Massive.  Goes well with a hifi type cab like my Acme LowB2. geoff

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>> Anyone using one of these? Any comments? > Ed Cregger > I’ve heard some disapproving comments from repair techs about Carvin > amps, cooling fans unwisely used as load-bearing supports, a heat > sink that is a live element of the circuit, enough to make me pull > back from buying one.

I’m a tech and don’t fin either of those things unduly worrysome, even if turw. geoff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Anyone using one of these? Any comments? >> Ed Cregger > I’ve heard some disapproving comments from repair techs about Carvin > amps, cooling fans unwisely used as load-bearing supports, a heat > sink that is a live element of the circuit, enough to make me pull > back from buying one. >I’m a tech and don’t fin either of those things unduly worrysome, even if >turw.

Oh, they’re true. It’s one of those classic designs where everything’s fine until something goes wrong, then it is very, very wrong. Carvin is hardly unique in that way, but that doen’t mean I have to pretend to like it. The amp mounting system is fine until you drop or abuse it. I’d prefer a design that survived abuse gracefully. Double sided tape and a plastic box fan housing is not my idea of a solid power amp mounting system. Ron

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Hi there, I love Tech21 stuff. Any reason why I should not get this amp? I feel the need to play at bedroom levels and my LC50 is just too big for home practise. Also, seems great for direct-out home recording without messing with mics, etc. Any tips, gotchas, pitfalls, etc? Thanks in advance, D.R.

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> Hi there, > I love Tech21 stuff. Any reason why I should not get this amp? > I feel the need to play at bedroom levels and my LC50 is just > too big for home practise. Also, seems great for direct-out > home recording without messing with mics, etc. > Any tips, gotchas, pitfalls, etc? > Thanks in advance, > D.R.

No idea where my original post went, so reposting. D.R.

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FWIW, I used a trade mark 60 for a trade show. I liked it. Just clean with a L4 into a Boomerang  phrase looper. Sounded fine, a good clean channel. Sounded like music. No problem. AW

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i’ve had mine for about 7 or 8 years now and totally dig it. love the clean channel. not so crazy about the distortion channel but the clean channel sounds good w/ a distortion pedal so it really isn’t an issue. good for home practice/recording and lightweight enough to make bringing it somewhere not involve a trip to the chiropractor. =-) PJ

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> i’ve had mine for about 7 or 8 years now and totally dig it. love the clean > channel. not so crazy about the distortion channel but the clean channel sounds > good w/ a distortion pedal so it really isn’t an issue. good for home > practice/recording and lightweight enough to make bringing it somewhere not > involve a trip to the chiropractor. > =-) PJ

I used to own a sansamp GT-2. My favorite pedal ever. Does the amp sound like this pedal. I would either buy a small amp and use this or the tri-ac, or buy an all-in-one. I use a distortion pedal on my tube amp, but keen to plug stright in.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->><snip> >> and drink lots of water (till it comes out of your eyes for the next 2-4 >> weeks). >Okay, now I think you’ve hit on something here!  I was VERY dehydrated the >whole afternoon.  I even told my wife, right after practice, that I was >dying for something to drink.  I think I’ll take a jug of Gatorade to the >next practice! >> Don’t do what I did, and think you can play through the pain. >> Build strength, increase fluids. >> Hope that helps. >Thanks for all of the advice!  :-) >Mark > Very important to keep hydrated, but 3 HOURS without a break? NOT > good. You need to put that beast down after 45min-an hour and give > yourself 10-15 minutes to loosen up again, just like working a gig. > You can’t go 3 hours at a time and not expect the body to retaliate in > one form or another, imho. > Charlie S. > W5CDS

I sincerely agree with Charlie on this one. Ed Cregger

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> Do yourself a favor. See a real doctor first. The comment about it being a > symptom of a cardiac problem could very well be true. > Tackled early, these things are much easier to deal with and treat. The next > symptom might be a funeral. Good luck.

Yikes!  I’m not ready to meet Jaco just yet!!

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> Get a strap which take your two shoulders. > i build one when i played my 5 string which was louder than my actual 4. It > does exist but i don’t remenber the brand. Ask Donna; she bought one; if i > remember correctly > And like said Rob; work your shoulders body-building; not with the idea to > be the new Schwarzenneger; but simply to maintain shoulders and back.

You know, I’ve seen these fleece/leather pad things that you slide your regular strap through – big, funny-looking things, but I’d always assumed that they’d be very comfy.  I may try to find one of those for rehearsals. I can’t say that I’ve seen any around lately though…

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> Do yourself a favor. See a real doctor first. The comment about it being a > symptom of a cardiac problem could very well be true. > Tackled early, these things are much easier to deal with and treat. The > next > symptom might be a funeral. Good luck. > Yikes!  I’m not ready to meet Jaco just yet!!

Well, you’re not too young to have a physician take a peek and collect some baseline data. Sorry for being so morbid. Most of the other fellows are probably right. It’s probably a result from straining and playing in unusual positions. The other fellow was correct in that shoulder pain is something that should be treated seriously, since the same thing that makes it sore could also show up a problem with the ticker. Good luck. Ed Cregger (just call me Gramps)

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> Any sports medicine doctors here? > Finally, pulling this all together, yesterday was my first rehearsal with > these guys – three hours – no breaks – new, heavier bass… > Last night, I had the most horrendous pains in my left shoulder and down > into the upper left portion of my back.  This seems like a lot more than > just a bit of muscle irritation because the pain wasn’t just near the > surface but deep into my shoulder.  I took Motrin and rubbed BenGay all over > it, but could barely sleep.  Right now I’m just really sore.  I should be > practicing tonight, but I just can’t bring myself to do it.  Well, I did > pull a stool into my music room and may try a little bit sitting down with > the bass on my leg.

My case went like this: I went to an audition for the first time after a 10 year break,  we played for about 3 -4 hours, when I got home, I felt like I was beaten up by a group of angry people. I know I did tense up a bit, first time after all that time and all, but the next day I was ok. Really, do go to a doctor, then to a good chiropractor, he will teach you good ways to train your "problem areas". And follow the other advices you got here, they are very good! — Chris E-mail is fake, don’t you just hate spam…

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> My case went like this: > I went to an audition for the first time after a 10 year break,  we > played for about 3 -4 hours, when I got home, I felt like I was beaten > up by a group of angry people. > I know I did tense up a bit, first time after all that time and all, but > the next day I was ok. > Really, do go to a doctor, then to a good chiropractor, he will teach > you good ways to train your "problem areas". > And follow the other advices you got here, they are very good!

Today I feel almost back to normal!?!?!?  Other than a sensation in my shoulder that "something happened" to me on Saturday, I’m okay.  Good thing too because I just got called up to play for church this Sunday and practice is tonight.  I think I’ll play sitting on a stool tonight… I’m gonna go see my chiropractor though…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh, I should’ve mentioned that my strap goes over my left shoulder, so it > wasn’t related to the pain in my forearm (which is probably from plucking > the strings?). > It doesn’t necessarily follow that pain on the right hand side is > unrelated to tension over the left shoulder. > I’ve overcome similar problems by using a double strap arrangement.  I > made the first one sometime in 1992 and have been using it ever since. > I have now made several of these for my main basses and I find it also > helps lock the bass in place which improves my playing as well as > alleviating shoulder, neck and arm pain. > To make one, buy two straps, one needs to be one of those leather straps > which you adjust the length of by threading a tongue of leather through > some slots at the back – the second strap I usually use one of the nylon > type straps which adjust with a sliding piece.  Undo the tongue of the > leather strap most of the way – you’ll have to do this anyway to get the > length right – when you re-thread it trap one end of the second strap > through it.  The leather strap goes over your left shoulder in the > conventional way, the nylon one goes over the right and attaches to the > upper horn. > Make sure these are nice wide padded straps – I usually add a layer of > foam under each shoulder. > You can buy similar straps commercially – please note: I’ve never used > any of these products or dealt with any of these companies. > There’s the ‘DARE’ strap, http://www.idare2.com/index.html > I don’t know how many of these he sells, but these are the closest > commercial offering to the ones I make for myself. > There’s the Y-strap > http://pages.infinit.net/ystrap/index.html > The weird looking slider strap, http://www.slider-straps.com/ > and the Wittman ’spin’ strap http://www.wittman-spins.com/ made famous > by ZZ top.  If you play in a heavy rock band this is probably the only > one you’ll be able to use without merciless ribbing from your band mates > and the audience. > Good luck. > — Derek

Hmmm. Another approach to solving a problem. Thanks, Derek. Ed Cregger

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> > Chiropractic works wonders, and it’s cheap. Make an appointment, and stick > to a regular visit schedule if you  plan on keeping this workload. > This is what my wife says – get to the chiropractor…  I guess I should > call tomorrow? > And all I did was play bass?????  I’m a wuss…

Heh, I got a simliar thing for a little while. I figured it was because the bass was qutie heavy, and neck heavy, so took up weights for a bit of help. Then tried a lighter bass and a couple of other things… turned out most of the problem was from head banging along with the music while I was playing. I’m 37, I hope your warranty -hasn’t- expired! Cheese, Rak

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> > Stop with the ETOH and Coffee (is there an ETOH-like abbreviation for > coffee?? Beano6??) > and drink lots of water (till it comes out of your eyes for the next 2-4 > weeks). > Okay, now I think you’ve hit on something here!  I was VERY dehydrated the > whole afternoon.  I even told my wife, right after practice, that I was > dying for something to drink.  I think I’ll take a jug of Gatorade to the > next practice!

Good ole’ water is great.  Gatorade has too much other stuff that you only need if you’re in the process of really burning that other stuff off.  None of need the calories If need be, there is some lighter duty stuff, like… can’t think of the name right now, but it’s nearly just flavored water.  Plain water is kind of a bore. —   O< "Happy Carnival!" /()   ^^

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> Oh, I should’ve mentioned that my strap goes over my left shoulder, so it > wasn’t related to the pain in my forearm (which is probably from plucking > the strings?).

It doesn’t necessarily follow that pain on the right hand side is unrelated to tension over the left shoulder. I’ve overcome similar problems by using a double strap arrangement.  I made the first one sometime in 1992 and have been using it ever since. I have now made several of these for my main basses and I find it also helps lock the bass in place which improves my playing as well as alleviating shoulder, neck and arm pain.   To make one, buy two straps, one needs to be one of those leather straps which you adjust the length of by threading a tongue of leather through some slots at the back – the second strap I usually use one of the nylon type straps which adjust with a sliding piece.  Undo the tongue of the leather strap most of the way – you’ll have to do this anyway to get the length right – when you re-thread it trap one end of the second strap through it.  The leather strap goes over your left shoulder in the conventional way, the nylon one goes over the right and attaches to the upper horn. Make sure these are nice wide padded straps – I usually add a layer of foam under each shoulder.   You can buy similar straps commercially – please note: I’ve never used any of these products or dealt with any of these companies. There’s the ‘DARE’ strap, http://www.idare2.com/index.html I don’t know how many of these he sells, but these are the closest commercial offering to the ones I make for myself. There’s the Y-strap http://pages.infinit.net/ystrap/index.html The weird looking slider strap, http://www.slider-straps.com/ and the Wittman ’spin’ strap http://www.wittman-spins.com/ made famous by ZZ top.  If you play in a heavy rock band this is probably the only one you’ll be able to use without merciless ribbing from your band mates and the audience.   Good luck. — Derek — Many Hands   – Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.manyhands.co.nz/

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Just what I would say. Get a softer wider strap or one of those double thingies. And Robs advises are min etoo… Soren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Get a strap which take your two shoulders. > i build one when i played my 5 string which was louder than my actual 4. It > does exist but i don’t remenber the brand. Ask Donna; she bought one; if i > remember correctly > And like said Rob; work your shoulders body-building; not with the idea to > be the new Schwarzenneger; but simply to maintain shoulders and back. > cheers > basst

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Your rant is perfect! Gorgeous in fact…I’m gonna give it a 9.5 for the > purely heartfelt sentiments in it, expressed so eloquently. > Days like this, you could be thinking the nicotine gods are having a laugh > at your expense…but you know what Tubbs dear? If you can get through this, > and the next week of inactivity, without caving, well, there’s nothing more > they can throw at you is there? > As for being bored shitless…well yeah there is that. Got a video player or > DVD? Lay in a supply of movies, some popcorn…and make the most of it. Get > your good painkillers and let them take care of your back, while you amuse > yourself. Email if you like…I’ll do my best to entertain you from the > other side of the world LOL… > Hang in there m8! > Paula

Yeah Paula you’re right hun, I fully expect to get through the next week nico free and then I think thats pretty much me done ) I got my laptop linked to my broadband, Loads of new DVD’s and will get some strong tabs tomoz so hopefully that will be me sorted !! Plus I got peeps to entertain me from the other side of the world )) Tubbs x

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"So go get ya face fucked." LOL I might use this if you don’t mind? I figured out "FFS" And I figured out "m8y" but "bupa" = ????? Sorry about the bad luck but I am happy to hear you are determined to stay quit anyhow!! Take care of your quit Kim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You fuckin bet it is !!! > Like I need a slipped disc right now ffs > Tubbs quit Two weeks, six days, 10 hours, 14 minutes and 53 seconds ago > (Cold Turkey). 510 cigarettes not smoked, saving

With my spinal surgery this thursday, I’m looking at using my Peavey Bandit if I’m going to do any gigs over the next few months. The thing is, the bandit’s 1×12 combo cab is particle board and weighs a ton. I’m thinking if I get a cab made for it out of solid pine and put in a decent neodymium speaker, I ought to be able to get the weight of the whole thing downto 25-30lbs. Do any of the custom cabinet makers fit odd sized combo amp chassis’ into custom sized 1×12 combo cabs? I assume I’d have to send the guy the chassis or do some accurate measurements… Jaz — http://www.jackzucker.com

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>With my spinal surgery this thursday,

Holy moly, Jack – good luck with the surgery. Whassup? Herniated disc? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m looking at using my Peavey Bandit >if I’m going to do any gigs over the next few months. The thing is, the >bandit’s 1×12 combo cab is particle board and weighs a ton. I’m thinking if >I get a cab made for it out of solid pine and put in a decent neodymium >speaker, I ought to be able to get the weight of the whole thing downto >25-30lbs. >Do any of the custom cabinet makers fit odd sized combo amp chassis’ into >custom sized 1×12 combo cabs? I assume I’d have to send the guy the chassis >or do some accurate measurements… >Jaz >– >http://www.jackzucker.com

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> With my spinal surgery this thursday, I’m looking at using my Peavey > Bandit if I’m going to do any gigs over the next few months. The thing is, > the bandit’s 1×12 combo cab is particle board and weighs a ton. I’m > thinking if I get a cab made for it out of solid pine and put in a decent > neodymium speaker, I ought to be able to get the weight of the whole thing > downto 25-30lbs. > Do any of the custom cabinet makers fit odd sized combo amp chassis’ into > custom sized 1×12 combo cabs? I assume I’d have to send the guy the > chassis or do some accurate measurements… > Jaz

Jaz – good luck with your surgery!  In my experience, cabinet makers will do whatver you pay them to do.  Have you considered the advantage of separating the head and speaker in to a piggy-back unit?  You can probably get both pieces to a perfectly manageable weight, and by carrying one in each hand, you’ll be better balanced and dave your back some additional stress. All the best, Rob Weaver

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This isn’t an answer to your question, but  it’s an option. I use a Peavey Envoy 110.  30 watts. 10 inch speaker. Has many, but not all of the knobs/features on the bandit. I get a great sound out of it, and it’s very light; I’d guess one third the weight of a Bandit. From car to the stage in one trip, guitar in one hand, amp and chord bag in the other. No heavy lifting at all. I use it for jazz and also for pop-sounding styles in my Christian band (three singers, bass, drums, keys, guitar). Many people have way too much power in their amps, so they play them with the volume knobs almost off. I usually play between 4 and 6 and have plenty of power for my jazz combo (bass, drums, guitar, voice). I’ve played one really big room in the last few months, and this amp maybe was a tad under-powered but listeners tell me they could hear me. Good luck with your recovery. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> With my spinal surgery this thursday, I’m looking at using my Peavey Bandit > if I’m going to do any gigs over the next few months. The thing is, the > bandit’s 1×12 combo cab is particle board and weighs a ton. I’m thinking if > I get a cab made for it out of solid pine and put in a decent neodymium > speaker, I ought to be able to get the weight of the whole thing downto > 25-30lbs. > Do any of the custom cabinet makers fit odd sized combo amp chassis’ into > custom sized 1×12 combo cabs? I assume I’d have to send the guy the chassis > or do some accurate measurements… > Jaz > — > http://www.jackzucker.com

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>With my spinal surgery this thursday, > Holy moly, Jack – good luck with the surgery. Whassup? Herniated disc?

Yep, 3 of ‘em in my neck caused by doing military presses… I’ve also got foraminal stenosis and bone spurs. I think the official medical term is "f***ed up"

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> Jaz – good luck with your surgery!  In my experience, cabinet makers will do > whatver you pay them to do.  Have you considered the advantage of > separating the head and speaker in to a piggy-back unit?  You can probably > get both pieces to a perfectly manageable weight, and by carrying one in > each hand, you’ll be better balanced and dave your back some additional > stress.

Thanks – Yeah, I’ve thought about separates but I figure it’ll cost 2x as much to get a head cab and seperate 1×12 cab.

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Jack, For the health of the rest of us – what is a military press? Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > This isn’t an answer to your question, but  it’s an option. > I use a Peavey Envoy 110.  30 watts. 10 inch speaker. > Has many, but not all of the knobs/features on the bandit. > I get a great sound out of it, and it’s very light; I’d guess one third the > weight of a Bandit. > From car to the stage in one trip, guitar in one hand, amp and chord bag in > the other. No heavy lifting at all. > I use it for jazz and also for pop-sounding styles in my Christian band > (three singers, bass, drums, keys, guitar). > Many people have way too much power in their amps, so they play them with > the volume knobs almost off. > I usually play between 4 and 6 and have plenty of power for my jazz combo > (bass, drums, guitar, voice). > I’ve played one really big room in the last few months, and this amp maybe > was a tad under-powered but listeners tell me they could hear me. > Good luck with your recovery. > Ken >With my spinal surgery this thursday, I’m looking at using my Peavey > Bandit >if I’m going to do any gigs over the next few months. The thing is, the >bandit’s 1×12 combo cab is particle board and weighs a ton. I’m thinking > if >I get a cab made for it out of solid pine and put in a decent neodymium >speaker, I ought to be able to get the weight of the whole thing downto >25-30lbs. >Do any of the custom cabinet makers fit odd sized combo amp chassis’ into >custom sized 1×12 combo cabs? I assume I’d have to send the guy the > chassis >or do some accurate measurements… >Jaz >– >http://www.jackzucker.com

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Jack, Sorry to hear about the surgery. Best to you. Vibroworld will build you a cab to suit. www.vibroworld.com. — Ken Empson Peculiar Sound Studio http://www.cdinc.net/~eriador http://samhillband.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> With my spinal surgery this thursday, I’m looking at using my Peavey Bandit > if I’m going to do any gigs over the next few months. The thing is, the > bandit’s 1×12 combo cab is particle board and weighs a ton. I’m thinking if > I get a cab made for it out of solid pine and put in a decent neodymium > speaker, I ought to be able to get the weight of the whole thing downto > 25-30lbs. > Do any of the custom cabinet makers fit odd sized combo amp chassis’ into > custom sized 1×12 combo cabs? I assume I’d have to send the guy the chassis > or do some accurate measurements… > Jaz > — > http://www.jackzucker.com

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>> >With my spinal surgery this thursday, > Holy moly, Jack – good luck with the surgery. Whassup? Herniated disc? >Yep, 3 of ‘em in my neck caused by doing military presses… I’ve also got >foraminal stenosis and bone spurs. >I think the official medical term is "f***ed up"

Nah, just getting old. Unless you’re under 35, then you’re simply fucked up. Be an interesting amp. You should try that approach – I’m curious how a very light but rigid cabinet assembly like that will work. I would think it would be great in a big, open uncompressed sort of way. Ron

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> Jack, > Sorry to hear about the surgery. Best to you. > Vibroworld will build you a cab to suit. www.vibroworld.com.

Thanks. I’ve heard good things about them.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> With my spinal surgery this thursday, I’m looking at using my Peavey Bandit > if I’m going to do any gigs over the next few months. The thing is, the > bandit’s 1×12 combo cab is particle board and weighs a ton. I’m thinking if > I get a cab made for it out of solid pine and put in a decent neodymium > speaker, I ought to be able to get the weight of the whole thing downto > 25-30lbs. > Do any of the custom cabinet makers fit odd sized combo amp chassis’ into > custom sized 1×12 combo cabs? I assume I’d have to send the guy the chassis > or do some accurate measurements… > Jaz > — > http://www.jackzucker.com

           Jack,        Check your website e-mail……                          Cheers,                               robert

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> Jack, > For the health of the rest of us – what is a military press? > Rob

I think it might be this, some sort of weight lifting exercise: http://www.thepumpingstation.com/military.html

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> Jack, > For the health of the rest of us – what is a military press? > Rob > I think it might be this, some sort of weight lifting exercise: > http://www.thepumpingstation.com/military.html

and should easily be done with 10sets of 50 with 500lbs..

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> Jack, > For the health of the rest of us – what is a military press? > Rob > I think it might be this, some sort of weight lifting exercise: > http://www.thepumpingstation.com/military.html

That’s correct. That’s what did it…And in addition to my surgeon, a couple friends of mine who are physicians have told me they’ve seen many patients with neck and shoulder problems from doing this exercise.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Jack, > > For the health of the rest of us – what is a military press? > > Rob > I think it might be this, some sort of weight lifting exercise: > http://www.thepumpingstation.com/military.html >That’s correct. That’s what did it…And in addition to my surgeon, a couple >friends of mine who are physicians have told me they’ve seen many patients >with neck and shoulder problems from doing this exercise.

Jack, does the problem arise from letting the line of the arms extend behind the shoulder? In other word, if I keep my amrs in a line that is ahead of my shoulder, will I be ok? No problems yet ….

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> Jack, does the problem arise from letting the line of the arms extend > behind the shoulder? In other word, if I keep my amrs in a line that > is ahead of my shoulder, will I be ok? No problems yet ….

What my buddy who’s an ER Surgeon explained to me is that physiologically, our arms are not meant for that type of movement. His recommendation was to not do any type of military press AT ALL. There are other more safe exercises for the same muscles which do not put the stress on the shoulders and upper vertabrae. The problem is that you are compressing your vertabrae by lifting the weights above your head. This compression can lead to problems like mine. Believe me, you do not want to go through this type of problem… I’ve been in agony for almost 5 months. The operation I’m having (anterior cervical discectomy fusion) involves replacing 2 discs with bone fragments, installing a permanent metal plate with screws, enlarging the foraminal pathways, and grinding away some bone spurs. Jaz

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Let me add my best wishes too, Jack.  Before you go chopping up your Bandit, have you considered a cart/dolly of some sort?  I have a monstrously heavy Ampeg B15N that I use when I play bass and several years ago started using a standard handcart dolly, cheap at KMart, WalMart, hardware stores, etc.  Makes a huge difference.  Stairs, snow, mud are still a problem though.  I think Musician’s Friend has an amp cart that folds up. Norm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > With my spinal surgery this thursday, I’m looking at using my Peavey Bandit > if I’m going to do any gigs over the next few months. The thing is, the > bandit’s 1×12 combo cab is particle board and weighs a ton. I’m thinking if > I get a cab made for it out of solid pine and put in a decent neodymium > speaker, I ought to be able to get the weight of the whole thing downto > 25-30lbs. > Do any of the custom cabinet makers fit odd sized combo amp chassis’ into > custom sized 1×12 combo cabs? I assume I’d have to send the guy the chassis > or do some accurate measurements… > Jaz > — > http://www.jackzucker.com

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> Let me add my best wishes too, Jack.

Thanks. > Before you go chopping up your > Bandit, have you considered a cart/dolly of some sort?  I have a > monstrously heavy Ampeg B15N that I use when I play bass and several > years ago started using a standard handcart dolly, cheap at KMart, > WalMart, hardware stores, etc.  Makes a huge difference.  Stairs, snow, > mud are still a problem though.  I think Musician’s Friend has an amp > cart that folds up.

I have one of those rock&roller carts. It still doesn’t help me get the amp up the flight of stairs from the basement and into the garage to get to the car. I don’t see putting the Bandit chassis into another cab as chopping it up. I can always return it to stock !

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Good luck with your surgery, Jack.  When is it happening? Regards, Margaret – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jack, does the problem arise from letting the line of the arms extend > behind the shoulder? In other word, if I keep my amrs in a line that > is ahead of my shoulder, will I be ok? No problems yet …. > What my buddy who’s an ER Surgeon explained to me is that physiologically, > our arms are not meant for that type of movement. His recommendation was to > not do any type of military press AT ALL. There are other more safe > exercises for the same muscles which do not put the stress on the shoulders > and upper vertabrae. The problem is that you are compressing your vertabrae > by lifting the weights above your head. This compression can lead to > problems like mine. Believe me, you do not want to go through this type of > problem… I’ve been in agony for almost 5 months. > The operation I’m having (anterior cervical discectomy fusion) involves > replacing 2 discs with bone fragments, installing a permanent metal plate > with screws, enlarging the foraminal pathways, and grinding away some bone > spurs. > Jaz

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> Good luck with your surgery, Jack.  When is it happening?

Thanks Margaret. Oct 2nd.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Let me add my best wishes too, Jack. > Thanks. > Before you go chopping up your > Bandit, have you considered a cart/dolly of some sort?  I have a > monstrously heavy Ampeg B15N that I use when I play bass and several > years ago started using a standard handcart dolly, cheap at KMart, > WalMart, hardware stores, etc.  Makes a huge difference.  Stairs, snow, > mud are still a problem though.  I think Musician’s Friend has an amp > cart that folds up. > I have one of those rock&roller carts. It still doesn’t help me get the amp > up the flight of stairs from the basement and into the garage to get to the > car.

I thought you were married. Isn’t that what the wife is for? > I don’t see putting the Bandit chassis into another cab as chopping it > up. I can always return it to stock !

– Joey Goldstein http://www.joeygoldstein.com joegold AT sympatico DOT ca

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>    I welcome you to print this e-mail, and take it to your > surgeon friend (or any other physician you’d like).  If they have any > questions, please have them e-mail me.

Don’t real doctors do their consults in private? — "In February, the president’s Council of Economic Advisers forecast that 510,000 new jobs would be generated this year. In fact, through last month, 437,000 jobs had been lost, 93,000 in August alone."   (David Rosenbaum, NYT, Sept 28 2003) Clark ‘04.

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> I thought you were married. Isn’t that what the wife is for?

I’ll show her this!

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> > I welcome you to print this e-mail, and take it to your > surgeon friend (or any other physician you’d like).  If they have any > questions, please have them e-mail me. > Don’t real doctors do their consults in private?

  Any doctor who truly wants to help people will offer advice or treatment that cures the problem in the most efficient and effective manner, no matter if the patient is in their office or at a social function. Too many "doctors" treat the symptoms and not the problem, and when the patient returns with a recurrence of symptoms, they pass them off to a surgeon or "specialist".  Go to a doctor when you have back pain or a splitting headache, and you’ll get pain relievers and muscle relaxers. Go to a good chiropractor and you’ll get faster relief without the pills, and less chance that the symptoms will recur. Don’t get me wrong; they each have their place in health care. I know first-hand the value of both practices. Look at it this way: I wouldn’t take my car to a body shop for engine problems, and I wouldn’t take it to an engine shop to have the frame aligned. (The analogy may be a bit broad, but you get the picture.) Monte

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> The poor thing travelled all the way back with us in a little plastic > container and I had to put it in my thermal lunch bag and carry it into > Craker Barrel when we stopped for lunch – it would have baked in the car.

So thoughtful > Thanks for the pic of Laurie playing my Urge. > I thought you might like that > I asked her if she knew who the bass belonged to… she didn’t. She said she > just picked it up and liked it.

Hmm… well, after I dug it out from the person who was sitting ON it (thinking it was part of the sofa?) in the the other room, I handed it to her, and explained she might find it easier to play than the Silver Sparkly G&L ASAT, which is nice, but the 32" scale, Light strings and low action on the Urge just makes it soooooooooo easy.  In fact, when I could no longer play my 40lb. Thumb bass, and my wrist and fingers were telling me I’d never play again, I bought the Urge.  It’s just that easy to play.  I was well chuffed when this guy in an orange > vest (Mark… who was this guy?) was starting a jam session and out of all > the basses that were there, chose to play mine.

Lesse, a guy who is a stranger, hadn’t played in YEARS, walks into the jam, with JT playing a double neck 7 string, over looks all the botique crap, and grabs the familiar, yet pretty Warmouth, with flats.  Pretty good praise/acid test I’d say.  Now… about his wardrobe…  I bet he owns a purple tank-top by weeks end By the way, my brother says "Nice write-up.  She said such nice things about you… good thing she met the nice brother ", so thanks for the kind words   he he he he.

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> Hey, I sure enjoyed the couple of minutes I got w/ PL1 too.  That is a

heck of a fine bass.  I’ve never played a 5 w/ flats.  What > strings are those?  They sounded great!  Hope I get to fondle it again one day. > Funny how so many folks ended up playing their own basses, huh? > m > www.xush.net

Chiming in for PL… Those were brand new TI Jazz flats. I put those on Wednesday night and barely got it in tune before I set it down.  It got stuffed into a gig bag on Thursday night and didn’t emerge until the BS.  They did sound sweet.  I wasn’t sure if flats were going to work well on an active bass like that. You sure made it sing.  I’m glad some more folks who contributed got to check it out.  That would include thus far Rankin, Steve Renshall, you (xush), Brian, Rob and me.  Maybe we’ll consider making it our life long goal to travel the planet so every contributor can, as Linny would say, "Have a go!" —     Oc    () )   //^^  // / Bud

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Sounds like a very groovy grandmother.  She’s left you with a lot of great memories. See ya next time. —     Oc    () )   //^^  // / Bud

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sure missed Karel.  Hope he’s ok. > Hey bro… thank you very much.  I missed y’all as well… had planned > to be there.  Unexpectedly, we buried my beloved grandmother on > Saturday while all the fun was going on  Family arrived from all > directions, from all around the country to pay their last respects to > a very special lady, a lady that will be sorely missed. > In fact, it was SHE who encouraged me to play while my parents, > friends, and brother all told me it was a "hobby" not to be confused > with a "job".  Turned out, she was the one that was right in my case, > and if it weren’t for her, I’d have not enjoyed an entire decade of > knowing what it feels like to do NOTHING ELSE, but to play music and > pay all my bills doing it. > She could sing like a bird, even in her mid 80’s, could play > harmonica, could play guitar.  I’d be plinking random notes, thinking > I was making music when I was a kid… and my dad would yell, "Play a > SONG or turn that s*(&( down!" while my grandmother would tell him to > shut his mouth…  that I was doing great… lol. > It was a rough weekend indeed, for me.  It marks the first time I’ve > lost somebody I’d have taken a bullet for, but I know she’s in a > better place and I also take solace in the fact that she was very > tired and ready to move onto bigger and better things. > Thanks again bro… yeah, I’m doing ok.  I’d have rather been having a > few beers with y’all at the Summit, believe me.  I really wanted to > meet up with you, Linny, and mArK again, as well as meet Rob and the > others, but fate was what it was.  Next time….. > Rest In Peace, Mapel!!!!!

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Looks like you had a good time. Next time I would like to participate somehow via a web cam, life sound feed and a chat line Oh wait … next year I am gone be 25×2 … would make a nice birthday present … Let me see how my stocks  are doing … where is my calculator … hhhmmmm …. two flight tickets a car a motel … wait if I stop smoking it would save me ….. Cheers Heinz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey all, > The Budster and I got back late yesterday after a haul across Alabama, > Mississippi, Louisiana and finally back to Texas. It was well worth it. Not > just for the BS, but also for the break and spending some time with some of > Bud’s family. We popped into Florida too. Anyhoo… you don’t want to hear > about that… you want to see the pics doncha!? > Here’s the picture gallery… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/ > And here’s a review I threw together… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv.asp > This is a bit sketchy given the amount of people and things that were going > on, but I can’t be everywhere… Apologies to the non a.g.b. folks that > didn’t get a mention. > Rob… Brian… Marc (Space Cowboy)… it was a real pleasure meeting you > guys > Thanks Mark for another great summit. Ya know, the day went so quickly, > maybe the next one should be a weekend gig?!? > — > PLL’C > http://altguitarbass.com

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>our condolences K; >we sure missed ya, but we’ll get another crack at it one day. >Then you can meet Ted too! >Hope to see you soon.

Thanks, M.  I look forward to BSV!

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>"Purple Linny LeCompte" > > And what about that turtle, huh?! It’s still alive.

hope you guys will be ’so happy together…’ > Thanks for the pic of Laurie playing my Urge. > I thought you might like that > I asked her if she knew who the bass belonged to… she didn’t. She said she > just picked it up and liked it. Laurie played with a ‘Jamerson hook’. I > watched her and she had some pretty good speed with that one fonger. I > mentioned this to her and she didn’t know who Jamerson was – bless her – so, > of course, I explained. Nice girl with a genuine interest in learning bass.

Laurie goes way back with us.  They still tease me ‘unmercilessly’ about the time, back when Laurie and Tammy had the same hairstyle and color,  we were camping and I sidled up behind Laurie and put my arms around her waist and squeezed.  I think it was embarrassing for everybody… anyway, she lives with some friends of mine now and there’s a bass I sold him in the house, and I guess she’s been tinkering with it.  I figured she’d get a kick out of the summit, and she did!  After almost everyone had left, I found her playing Rob’s Urge.  That dang 7 nation Army song is still stuck in my head! > I was well chuffed when this guy in an orange > vest (Mark… who was this guy?) was starting a jam session and out of all > the basses that were there, chose to play mine. He jammed with JT > — > PLL’C

His name is Randy, I don’t really know him, but apparently he’s a buddy of my friends from Pensacola, andrew and ashley.  I’m pretty sure he told me he hadn’t played a bass in years… We had all the demographics covered didn’t we? Hey, I sure enjoyed the couple of minutes I got w/ PL1 too.  That is a heck of a fine bass.  I’ve never played a 5 w/ flats.  What strings are those?  They sounded great!  Hope I get to fondle it again one day. Funny how so many folks ended up playing their own basses, huh? m www.xush.net

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> Bud says if I can keep it alive for two weeks then I can spend some money on > it – buy a nice habitat etc.

LOL!  You can make turtle adventure island.. or maybe a turtle obstacle course?  The Guantlet!!  muhaha.. Jordan

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>> >Sure missed Karel.  Hope he’s ok. > Hey bro… thank you very much.  I missed y’all as well… had planned > to be there.  Unexpectedly, we buried my beloved grandmother on > Saturday while all the fun was going on >Sincere condolences, Karel.

Thanks, PL.  It’s getting easier day by day.  I look forward to BSV.

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<snipped and mucked about with…> > Bud and Linny… thanks for the lodging.  It makes me smile to > remember Kurtis.

And what about that turtle, huh?! It’s still alive. Folks, (wayyy OT… more bass stuff below…) , but we now have a pet. On the way back to Bud’s mom’s after the summit, I called her to say that we were on our way home. She had been looking after Kurtis for the day and had taken him to see some animals. She said that he had wanted a puppy – I nearly freaked and said, "You didn’t…?" No, she didn’t… she got a baby turtle instead! /rolls eyes. The poor thing travelled all the way back with us in a little plastic container and I had to put it in my thermal lunch bag and carry it into Craker Barrel when we stopped for lunch – it would have baked in the car. It’s now living in a big glass bowl with my big piece of amythest, turned upside down, for it to bask on. It’s quite sweet really – he pokes his head out of the water and watches me when he thinks I’m not looking. Then when I look at it, he ducks under the water. I took it for a walk yesterday – it kept walking across my hands – it must have walked a mile! Bud says if I can keep it alive for two weeks then I can spend some money on it – buy a nice habitat etc. Anyhoo… > Thanks for the pic of Laurie playing my Urge.

I thought you might like that I asked her if she knew who the bass belonged to… she didn’t. She said she just picked it up and liked it. Laurie played with a ‘Jamerson hook’. I watched her and she had some pretty good speed with that one fonger. I mentioned this to her and she didn’t know who Jamerson was – bless her – so, of course, I explained. Nice girl with a genuine interest in learning bass. > My sternum still hurts from the heft of the double-neck, I may have > displaced a rib or two, but who can pass up the chance to try on a > bass that Stanley Clark tried.

Agh. I forgot to mention that bit in my review. Yeh – how cool is that! > Playing the PL-1 was also an honor.  Thanks Girl!

You’re very welcome. I think Brian enjoyed fondling PL1 too – I’m sure we’ll find out when he gets home. I was well chuffed when this guy in an orange vest (Mark… who was this guy?) was starting a jam session and out of all the basses that were there, chose to play mine. He jammed with JT on the double necked bass and that session sounded fenomi… phenome… excellent! http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/pics/BSIV0017.JPG That particular sesh was filmed, so hopefully we’ll all get to see it again. — PLL’C

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>Sure missed Karel.  Hope he’s ok. > Hey bro… thank you very much.  I missed y’all as well… had planned > to be there.  Unexpectedly, we buried my beloved grandmother on > Saturday while all the fun was going on

Sincere condolences, Karel. We sympathize your loss and hope that your grief eases with time. Sadly, it was a loss for us too as you couldn’t be with us at the summit. We talked about your animated bass playing and how you put so much life into the groove. We hope to see both you and Lisa next time. Take care, y’all! — PLL’C

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> Enough already… it was great, and I had to miss it.  Must you continue to > torment me?

lol… um… yes. You made your bed, now lay on it :-p Hope your gig went well, btw. No, really – I do Was it worth the sacrifice? — PLL’C

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> Hey Linny, > You got to admit that Zon feels pretty solid, doesn’t it? >

Yes it did, even though I didn’t really get to play it, I just fannied around with it unplugged. There had been a spate of picture taking and all I heard was, "Linny, grab a bass and get in the picture", and Rob’s Zon seemed like a smart move. I played the Hyperbass at last year’s summit – that was a freaky experience, but gave me a good idea of the class. I recall that the general consensus was that Zon is cool, but some people just dig their heels in a tad… on principle — PLL’C

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our condolences K; we sure missed ya, but we’ll get another crack at it one day. Then you can meet Ted too! Hope to see you soon. m www.xush.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sure missed Karel.  Hope he’s ok. > Hey bro… thank you very much.  I missed y’all as well… had planned > to be there.  Unexpectedly, we buried my beloved grandmother on > Saturday while all the fun was going on  Family arrived from all > directions, from all around the country to pay their last respects to > a very special lady, a lady that will be sorely missed.

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>Sure missed Karel.  Hope he’s ok.

Hey bro… thank you very much.  I missed y’all as well… had planned to be there.  Unexpectedly, we buried my beloved grandmother on Saturday while all the fun was going on  Family arrived from all directions, from all around the country to pay their last respects to a very special lady, a lady that will be sorely missed. In fact, it was SHE who encouraged me to play while my parents, friends, and brother all told me it was a "hobby" not to be confused with a "job".  Turned out, she was the one that was right in my case, and if it weren’t for her, I’d have not enjoyed an entire decade of knowing what it feels like to do NOTHING ELSE, but to play music and pay all my bills doing it.   She could sing like a bird, even in her mid 80’s, could play harmonica, could play guitar.  I’d be plinking random notes, thinking I was making music when I was a kid… and my dad would yell, "Play a SONG or turn that s*(&( down!" while my grandmother would tell him to shut his mouth…  that I was doing great… lol. It was a rough weekend indeed, for me.  It marks the first time I’ve lost somebody I’d have taken a bullet for, but I know she’s in a better place and I also take solace in the fact that she was very tired and ready to move onto bigger and better things. Thanks again bro… yeah, I’m doing ok.  I’d have rather been having a few beers with y’all at the Summit, believe me.  I really wanted to meet up with you, Linny, and mArK again, as well as meet Rob and the others, but fate was what it was.  Next time….. Rest In Peace, Mapel!!!!!

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It WAS an awesome day! Yes, Brian is even taller than me… which grabs even my 6′2" of attention! Mark and Tammy did a great job of making sure everyone was happy and comfy. Space Cowboy was just cool as hell. Bud and Linny… thanks for the lodging.  It makes me smile to remember Kurtis. Thanks for the pic of Laurie playing my Urge. Mark, you should have tried the f’less.  It’s wayyyy nicer than the fretted Z. My sternum still hurts from the heft of the double-neck, I may have displaced a rib or two, but who can pass up the chance to try on a bass that Stanley Clark tried.  Not I. It was a bit intimidating hearing JT and the others tearing up Rush covers lick for lick for nearly… well, dang… I can’t play even one of their songs all the way through, so… I WAS IMPRESSED. If I could have thought of a single song, I would have jammed, but alas… nyet. Ted, sorry to taunt… you would have had a blast. Also… Bud and I both agree that the basses we had brought, and own, felt and played the best.  All that candy, but no place like home Playing the PL-1 was also an honor.  Thanks Girl! -rob kloka (via google)

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From what I remember I thought it was a nice bass.  Is that bass passive? Really big and round sounding from what I can remember, almost acousticy.  I *ain’t* no fretless player, I ain’t no 5-stringer and I think I messed up Space Cowboy’s version of "Wet Pants" (the pic of Brian, SC and me).  For a while there I was trying to get my mits on as many basses as I could.  We’ll do it again and next time I’ll try to get more involved in the planning stages.  Sure missed Karel.  Hope he’s ok. —     Oc    () )   //^^  // / Bud

> Bud; > any recollections about the JP fretless? > we’re anxious for feedback since it’s the first one in the US… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/pics/BSIV0021.JPG > Really glad you guys came.  Guess we’ll have to do it again, eh? > m > www.xush.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It was a gas.  It was great to finally meet Rob, Brian and Space Cowboy > along with some cool strangers too.  Had fun once again checking out a lot > of very nice basses.  Thanks marc for going the extra mile and putting this > all together. > — >     Oc >    () ) >   //^^ >  // > / > Bud > > Hey all, > > The Budster and I got back late yesterday after a haul across Alabama, > > Mississippi, Louisiana and finally back to Texas. It was well worth it. > Not > > just for the BS, but also for the break and spending some time with some > of > > Bud’s family. We popped into Florida too. Anyhoo… you don’t want to hear > > about that… you want to see the pics doncha!? > > Here’s the picture gallery… > > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/ > > And here’s a review I threw together… > > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv.asp > > This is a bit sketchy given the amount of people and things that were > going > > on, but I can’t be everywhere… Apologies to the non a.g.b. folks that > > didn’t get a mention. > > Rob… Brian… Marc (Space Cowboy)… it was a real pleasure meeting you > > guys > > Thanks Mark for another great summit. Ya know, the day went so quickly, > > maybe the next one should be a weekend gig?!? > > — > > PLL’C > > http://altguitarbass.com

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Bud; any recollections about the JP fretless? we’re anxious for feedback since it’s the first one in the US… http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/pics/BSIV0021.JPG Really glad you guys came.  Guess we’ll have to do it again, eh? m www.xush.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It was a gas.  It was great to finally meet Rob, Brian and Space Cowboy > along with some cool strangers too.  Had fun once again checking out a lot > of very nice basses.  Thanks marc for going the extra mile and putting this > all together. > — >     Oc >    () ) >   //^^ >  // > / > Bud > Hey all, > The Budster and I got back late yesterday after a haul across Alabama, > Mississippi, Louisiana and finally back to Texas. It was well worth it. > Not > just for the BS, but also for the break and spending some time with some > of > Bud’s family. We popped into Florida too. Anyhoo… you don’t want to hear > about that… you want to see the pics doncha!? > Here’s the picture gallery… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/ > And here’s a review I threw together… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv.asp > This is a bit sketchy given the amount of people and things that were > going > on, but I can’t be everywhere… Apologies to the non a.g.b. folks that > didn’t get a mention. > Rob… Brian… Marc (Space Cowboy)… it was a real pleasure meeting you > guys > Thanks Mark for another great summit. Ya know, the day went so quickly, > maybe the next one should be a weekend gig?!? > — > PLL’C > http://altguitarbass.com

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It was a gas.  It was great to finally meet Rob, Brian and Space Cowboy along with some cool strangers too.  Had fun once again checking out a lot of very nice basses.  Thanks marc for going the extra mile and putting this all together. —     Oc    () )   //^^  // / Bud – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey all, > The Budster and I got back late yesterday after a haul across Alabama, > Mississippi, Louisiana and finally back to Texas. It was well worth it. Not > just for the BS, but also for the break and spending some time with some of > Bud’s family. We popped into Florida too. Anyhoo… you don’t want to hear > about that… you want to see the pics doncha!? > Here’s the picture gallery… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/ > And here’s a review I threw together… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv.asp > This is a bit sketchy given the amount of people and things that were going > on, but I can’t be everywhere… Apologies to the non a.g.b. folks that > didn’t get a mention. > Rob… Brian… Marc (Space Cowboy)… it was a real pleasure meeting you > guys > Thanks Mark for another great summit. Ya know, the day went so quickly, > maybe the next one should be a weekend gig?!? > — > PLL’C > http://altguitarbass.com

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One of the few basses I got around to playing was Rob’s fretted Zon. Best Zon I’ve tried yet.  Man, that was nice!  Sounded so good. I wish I’d had more time with the fretless.  Guess I’ll have to go visit soon… We had Mark B’s Hyperbass at the last Summit, that’s a wacky one there, that is… m www.xush.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey Linny, > You got to admit that Zon feels pretty solid, doesn’t it? >

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> Man oh man, that looks like it was great big giant-sized fun!  I’m > conflicted  - I want to be there, but in the presence of so many good > players my limited skills would drive me to hide in the corner or drool in > awe…

The same thing went through my mind occasionally, but then you just start having so much fun that you forget about your own perceived inadequacies…and I don’t think there was anyone with an ‘attitude’ among the bunch.  Very humble and appreciative and generous, to the last person. Now, some folks ain’t crazy about the 7′ers, and the Wishy and my FBB’s might get some funny looks, but it was all about sharing and experiencing and enjoying, and I think everybody felt that. Man, I can almost smell the patchouli… One of the best parts to me was that even some of the newer/less experienced players would jump in there on the jams and just have fun.  That’s the spirit! > A question:  BSIV was held in a studio, so would there, could there, maybe > kinda sorta be some clips us less fortunate ones could listen to?  I’ve > gotta believe the lovely and talented Lady Linny could find some space on > the AGB site for some downloads…  Mark?

Yeah, you’d think so wouldn’t ya…but it didn’t play out that way unfortunately.  I’m surprised there’s even any pics to tell you the truth.  We all get to having too much fun to remember stuff like that.  We pretty much cleaned the rooms out as much as possible, to make room for all the bass goodies, and just didn’t have it set up to record.  Maybe next year… wait a minute!  Just realized… they taped it for broadcast.  I think they had audio with this particular camera… I definitely remember seeing some of the tunes getting videotaped.  Might be on to something here.  I’ll get to tracking him down… m www.xush.net

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Hey Linny, You got to admit that Zon feels pretty solid, doesn’t it?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Man oh man, that looks like it was great big giant-sized fun!  I’m > conflicted  - I want to be there, but in the presence of so many good > players my limited skills would drive me to hide in the corner or drool in > awe… > A question:  BSIV was held in a studio, so would there, could there, maybe > kinda sorta be some clips us less fortunate ones could listen to?  I’ve > gotta believe the lovely and talented Lady Linny could find some space on > the AGB site for some downloads…  Mark? > Hey all, > The Budster and I got back late yesterday after a haul across Alabama, > Mississippi, Louisiana and finally back to Texas. It was well worth it. > Not > just for the BS, but also for the break and spending some time with some > of > Bud’s family. We popped into Florida too. Anyhoo… you don’t want to hear > about that… you want to see the pics doncha!? > Here’s the picture gallery… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/ > And here’s a review I threw together… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv.asp > This is a bit sketchy given the amount of people and things that were > going > on, but I can’t be everywhere… Apologies to the non a.g.b. folks that > didn’t get a mention. > Rob… Brian… Marc (Space Cowboy)… it was a real pleasure meeting you > guys > Thanks Mark for another great summit. Ya know, the day went so quickly, > maybe the next one should be a weekend gig?!? > — > PLL’C > http://altguitarbass.com

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Man oh man, that looks like it was great big giant-sized fun!  I’m conflicted  - I want to be there, but in the presence of so many good players my limited skills would drive me to hide in the corner or drool in awe… A question:  BSIV was held in a studio, so would there, could there, maybe kinda sorta be some clips us less fortunate ones could listen to?  I’ve gotta believe the lovely and talented Lady Linny could find some space on the AGB site for some downloads…  Mark? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey all, > The Budster and I got back late yesterday after a haul across Alabama, > Mississippi, Louisiana and finally back to Texas. It was well worth it. Not > just for the BS, but also for the break and spending some time with some of > Bud’s family. We popped into Florida too. Anyhoo… you don’t want to hear > about that… you want to see the pics doncha!? > Here’s the picture gallery… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/ > And here’s a review I threw together… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv.asp > This is a bit sketchy given the amount of people and things that were going > on, but I can’t be everywhere… Apologies to the non a.g.b. folks that > didn’t get a mention. > Rob… Brian… Marc (Space Cowboy)… it was a real pleasure meeting you > guys > Thanks Mark for another great summit. Ya know, the day went so quickly, > maybe the next one should be a weekend gig?!? > — > PLL’C > http://altguitarbass.com

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Enough already… it was great, and I had to miss it.  Must you continue to torment me?  _ ‘ ):    Ted Partin  /     http://members.aol.com/dblbassted

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> Hey all, > The Budster and I got back late yesterday after a haul across Alabama, > Mississippi, Louisiana and finally back to Texas. It was well worth it. Not > just for the BS, but also for the break and spending some time with some of > Bud’s family. We popped into Florida too. Anyhoo… you don’t want to hear > about that… you want to see the pics doncha!? > Here’s the picture gallery… > http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/

—      Mike – NJ

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Hey all, The Budster and I got back late yesterday after a haul across Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and finally back to Texas. It was well worth it.  Not just for the BS, but also for the break and spending some time with some of Bud’s family. We popped into Florida too. Anyhoo… you don’t want to hear about that… you want to see the pics doncha!? Here’s the picture gallery… http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv/ And here’s a review I threw together… http://altguitarbass.com/bsiv.asp This is a bit sketchy given the amount of people and things that were going on, but I can’t be everywhere… Apologies to the non a.g.b. folks that didn’t get a mention. Rob… Brian… Marc (Space Cowboy)… it was a real pleasure meeting you guys Thanks Mark for another great summit. Ya know, the day went so quickly, maybe the next one should be a weekend gig?!? — PLL’C http://altguitarbass.com

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